1/27/2007

Legalizing Prostitution: Not on Our Watch

This from canada.com
OTTAWA -- Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Friday he and all Canadians are feeling both horror and revulsion as they watch the Robert "Willie" Pickton murder trial unfold in B.C., but he said the case does not convince him Canada needs to legalize prostitution.
The New Democratic Party, citing evidence presented before a parliamentary committee that reported its findings last month, called on Parliament at the start of Pickton's trial Monday to consider decriminalizing the sex trade.
"In terms of the events that are on trial in the Pickton trial, I think all Canadians experience just unbelievable horror and outrage at the acts that have been committed. And I don't think there's a person in this country (who) cannot react with extreme revulsion to the events that are on trial there," Harper said at a news conference.
"In terms of legalization of prostitution I can just tell you that obviously that's something that this government doesn't favour. I think that's a separate debate."
Pickton is on trial in New Westminster, B.C. for six of the 26 counts of murder in connection with women, mostly drug-addicted prostitutes, who went missing from Vancouver's Downtown Eastside. His trial on the other 20 counts will take place at a later date.
NDP House leader Libby Davies, whose Vancouver East riding includes the Downtown Eastside, issued a statement Monday saying sex-trade workers are endangered by Canada's law prohibiting communication for the purposes of engaging in prostitution.

And this is exactly one of the reasons I voted Conservative. If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times: decriminalizing and regulating prostitution is a really bad idea. It will not solve anything and only make matters worse.

17 comments:

Anonymous said...

The only thing that I can conclude from the Picton case , is that the sex trade weather legal or not , is a dangerous trade because of the crowd that they attract.

Legalizing sex will bot make the workers any safer, but will permit the prowler a legal starting point to perpetrate their crimes.

Anonymous said...

The only thing that I can conclude from the Picton case , is that the sex trade weather legal or not , is a dangerous trade because of the crowd that they attract.

Legalizing sex will bot make the workers any safer, but will permit the prowler a legal starting point to perpetrate their crim

Backseat Blogger said...

This Tory is 100% in favour of legalizing prostitution - in theory.

Please explain why it would be bad

Ruth said...

Backseat, you must be new to my blog. I have many rants on the problems of decriminalizing prostitution.

http://rootleweb.blogspot.com/2006/12/sex-workers-to-sue.html
http://rootleweb.blogspot.com/2006/02/truth-about-decriminalized.html
http://rootleweb.blogspot.com/2006/04/legalizing-prostitutiona-dumb-idea.html
http://rootleweb.blogspot.com/2006/01/mixing-with-mob-strippers-in-canada.html
http://rootleweb.blogspot.com/2006/02/criminal-code-of-canada-offences.html
http://rootleweb.blogspot.com/2005/12/legalizing-prostitution.html
http://rootleweb.blogspot.com/2005/12/comparing-criminal-stances.html

There is no evidence to support the notion that regulating prostitution will make it in any way safer for prostitutes. What is needed is harsher punishments for pimps and johns.

Anonymous said...

Prostitution is already decriminalized- have you ever looked at the Adult section in the Classifieds? There is always at least a half dozen escort business operating.

Anonymous said...

Prostitution is already decriminalized- have you ever looked at the Adult section in the Classifieds? There is always at least a half dozen escort business operating.

BaconEating AtheistJew said...

I don't see how legalizing prostitution will make things worse.
In fact, a prostitute in Canada is 10 digits away on a phone.
The benefits can be seen in Las Vegas. Cleaner. Regulated. Tax paying. And no stigma in reporting abuses.

BTW, I've never had sex with a prostitute.....well at least, I've never paid actual cash to a woman directly for sex.

hunter said...

Paying for sex, that's the problem, how degrading for women. Does anyone actually think that just because it is legal that a woman would like having a fat, sloppy guy violating her? Someone she doesn't even know? Do you really think that if we legalize prostitution, the women are going to get their self esteem back? I'm amazed that feminists are not screaming about this issue. You guys, think about selling your body for money, to anyone of any sex, or weight. Not a pleasent thought is it? As for Vegas, get real, women are still standing on the streets there, they are still getting abused by their pimps and their customers.

BaconEating AtheistJew said...

Hunter, prostitution has been around for ages. Accepting money is just the tip of the iceberg. Ever hear of Anna Nicole Smith.
Women will become prostitutes whether it is legal or not....that isn't the issue.

The issue is whether they will serve the economy better and be more protected if it is finally legalized.

Ruth said...

As I have repeatedly stated before, that women would be better protected if prostitution were regulated is a MYTH. This has not been the case in any country that has tried it and it is naive and vain of us to assume it would be different here in Canada. In all cases, violence committed against prostitutes has increased and NOT decreased.
Please read this post:
...another image of prostitution is starting to emerge -- that of unwilling women trafficked by criminal gangs... once she arrived in the Netherlands the man she had thought of as a boyfriend sold her to criminals... "When you force a woman into prostitution you steal a life, you steal her future. She loses everything and later she is too ashamed even to have contact with her family..." Distrust of the police and stories of light sentences for pimps frequently make such victims too scared to seek help.

BaconEating AtheistJew said...

Do you have any stats stating violence towards prostitutes increased where it is legal? Perhaps, violence is more apt to be reported where it is legal.
Unfortunately only the left side of your post is available to me (must be a computer gliche...probably mine)

Lets face it, fully nudity occurs in strip joints and the girls working there I imagine are mostly hookers (maybe not full time). And it is all legal. There was prostitution in the days of the bible. It isn't going to go away, legal or illegal.

Even if it doesn't protect the prostitute by legalizing it (which I doubt), legalizing it will at least get them paying taxes.

Ruth said...

At least it will get them paying taxes? Did you even think that thought through to its logical end?
Prostitution is a highly lucrative business. It's true, certain forms of it are legal. However, pimping and owning a brothel is not. What makes you think that criminals are suddenly going develop a conscience and start obeying the law? What will happen here is the same thing that is already happening in the Netherlands and Australia. There will be two streams; one legitimate and protected and the other not. The illegitimate one will pose the biggest problem, and a significantly greater one than the one we are already facing. Prostitutes who are forced to work in both will have less protection under the law and less reason to turn in their bosses or the pimps who accost them. It is already difficult enough for a prostitute to charge someone with raping her. And no, violence is not more apt to be reported. It is less. So how do we know violence increases? Because more women turn up beaten, raped or dead. There is a huge problem in the Netherlands of women who are imported from other countries and forced to work underground.
Also consider what would happen to our welfare system. The majority of welfare recipients are women, many of whom have left highly abusive relationships. If a welfare candidate turns down a job, they are no longer eligible. So, what you would get is a host of abused women (and domestic violence often contains a sexual component) who are driven into the so-called sex industry. Great. So now instead of helping the unfortunate who already have a very low sense of self worth after years of abuse, our system will force them to objectify their bodies even further.
I listed a bunch of links to previous posts I have made on the issue. Many (if not all) of those posts have links to articles w/ statistics. Given that the average age of a "woman" entering prostitution is only 13 in BC (with the national average about the same), I consider this to be one of the most serious issues our society is facing. There is a huge slippery slope potential that cannot be ignored.
A much better solution would be to toughen the laws and enforce stiffer penalties on pimps and johns. Prostitutes who are looking to leave their line of "work" should be given some sort of amnesty and not charged; perhaps a halfway house or something like that would work.

BaconEating AtheistJew said...

I read the Wikipedia article, you should too.
Bringing up the Netherlands and cherry picking stats is sort of meaningless. I can bring up Thailand where prostitution is completely illegal, and 8 year old boys and girls become prostitutes at alarming rates.

The reality is that prostitution is everywhere. And many women decide to become strippers or prostitutes on their own (they aren't forced into it). Street prostitution is the most dangerous and is usually found where prostitution is illegal. Call girls suffer a much lower rate of abuse, for example.
Street prostitutes when illegal are great targets for a Picton. You won't find a Picton in Nevada or Europe where prostitution is pretty much legal.
In Canada, prostitution is pretty much legal if the solicitation isn't in a public place.
And yes, prostitution where legalized increases tax payments as many are run as legitimate businesses. Sure, there is still a lot of tax avoidance I would imagine, but I'm sure where it is regulated, they can only get away with so much. Also where legal, like Australia, prostitutes are tested regularly for STD's and this has resulted in less STDs.
Also, in Glasgow where prostitutes are encouraged to work with police, violence is curbed dramatically versus Britain where there is still a kerb law.
In Italy and Greece, some prostitutes have made it high up politically.
Besides, what is prostitution? I've gone out with women where I paid for everything. In the end I just looked at it as no different than prostitution.
Arresting johns is farcical. Some guys can't find a woman or don't have the time for a relationship, or are in a crappy relationship staying with a wife out of convenience or for the kids.

You are assuming that making it illegal will make it go away. Sorry, that doesn't happen anywhere.

Ruth said...

At no point have I ever said that making prostitution and all of the activities surrounding it illegal will make it go away. I am not that naive.
As for your wikipedia article, there is nothing in it to suggest that making prostitution legal improves the situation for women. In fact, most of the article can be used to support my claim that regulating prostitution makes things worse. So, why did you post it?

BaconEating AtheistJew said...

Actually it reads differently to me.
I guess we just interpret things differently and see what we want to see.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I am open to change my mind, but I really haven't seen anything that changes my mind.

I'll ask you one thing, do you think Picton would have been able to murder as many as he did if our laws were like the Netherlands? In other words, is it possible for a Picton to murder 49 prostitutes in the Netherlands. I know it is speculative, but I would have to say it would be near impossible.

Ruth said...

Of course it's possible. As I have repeatedly stated, in every country that has tried regulating prostitution, violence against prostitutes increases. The situation does not improve; it gets worse. That's the thing about criminals: they don't obey the law. In fact, I would expect criminal behaviour to increase, and not decrease. If you give a rapist, serial killer or sick psycho sadist an inch, they will take a mile. If you indulge their behaviour even one iota, they will descend to even more depraved extremes.

BaconEating AtheistJew said...

Ruth, I know you say that violence increases, but I'm not convinced. Even with stats, I think that the reports would go up because prostitutes know they can go to the police without getting arrested.
Also, the criminal element would most likely be squashed. Take gambling for example. Legal internet gambling in Canada has pretty much wiped out illegal bookies.

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